BMW M3 e92 vs Toyota Supra - United Bimmer Community

**trev0006** · 01-04-2008, 04:30 AM

**estpaul** · 01-04-2008, 12:37 PM

there is an old saying in my language,
no offence to any female forum members,

"a woman behind the wheel and the car is in the ditch"

thats all i have to say.

nick_318is · 01-04-2008, 03:24 PM

Thats Sabine (The queen of the Nurburgring), shes really very very good and could kick your ass in an equal car on any track on any day.

I would like to see them head to head doing something other then a straight line acceleration test.

**adjmcloon** · 01-04-2008, 03:24 PM

+1. That M3 should have eaten that Supra alive.

**elsabor67** · 01-04-2008, 04:28 PM

I don't know

Something just doesn't jive in that vid 'cause it looks too toyota oriented

denyo77 · 01-04-2008, 05:48 PM

yeah, the pics in the end were added by the poster of the vid
the race itself was just a short sequence from a show on the German tech channel DMAX which you might know

About Sabine Schmitz, she's a helluva driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5rDc4Fc0

if she lost, ANY of the guys on the forum would have lost. I'd bet on that.

**estpaul** · 01-05-2008, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nick_318is

Thats Sabine (The queen of the Nurburgring), shes really very very good and could kick your ass in an equal car on any track on any day.

I would like to see them head to head doing something other then a straight line acceleration test.

the whole video seems to be a praise to the supra, and making ricers feel good about themselves, that supra should have lost, maybe the woman was going easy on him. you never know really do you, unless you were there.

denyo77 · 01-05-2008, 08:38 AM

just because it's a Supra, it's not rice. Like a well-tuned Evo or STi is a good car, not a ricer.
Ricers are defined by the looks to their car, and mostly they don't do any good performance tuning. Instead, they put on NOS, fugly body kits and huge fart cans.

NOOOOO WAYYY!!!! I JUST FOUND OUT I KNOW THIS SUPRA! IT'S FROM A TOWN NEARBY! I just watched the vid again and recognized the license plate. It's the Supra I photographed at my bro's race...
I know the driver by sight and he sure isn't a ricer.

by the way, if you know German, you could understand what he did to his engine and why he won

**estpaul** · 01-05-2008, 12:26 PM

Come on then denyo, what did he do?

i define a ricer by those same standards, body kits that hit speed bumps everytime, fart cans, and stickers of name brands that they dont have enough money to buy.

But a ricer is also anything that is considered a 90's japanese sports car,(rx-7, skyline r-32, supra, eclipse, civic) e.g. the fast and the furious : yeah they all have modding done, but their all still ricers that are painted colours that you would find in your candy shop. i think the only car in the film was Jesse's white VW golf, and Dom's Dad's Black dodge charger.

Just the fact that not listing what he had done, is glorifying ricers, and we all know that all ricers dream of beating BMW's and by advertising that this toyota supra has 360 hp and that BMW M3 has 420 hp, and the BMW eats dust, is glorifying the whole ricer imago.

nick_318is · 01-05-2008, 04:25 PM

1. A car is not rice if it has the go to back up the show and has been tactfully modified.
2. Are you trying to tell us that this black tastefully moded and attractive (if I do say so) car with some modifications to beat the bmw is a ricer? I dont see fart cans, I don't see a shopping cart/towel rack wing, I don't see an ugly body kit, I don't see an outlandish paint job, where is the rice?
3. Rice does not have to be japanese people can rice out a BMW, a Dodge, anything.
4. I by no mean know anything about the conditions when this was shot, or the modifications of the supra, all I know is the driver of the BMW is a very highly skilled driver and would be putting that car through its paces. She does the driving for some of the BMW nurburgring taxi so I think she knows how to drive a BMW.
5. Because someone can build a car that is faster then the pricy BMW and do it tastefully does not make the person a Ricer or the car rice, that is simply good planning.
6. I would love to build a cheaper older car to specs that would beat the new m3 and blast some doors off, if not for anything else then to see the ashamed look on the m3 drivers face.
7. I still want to see how the cars do in a competition with turns cause thats where the real prowess comes in.
8. Am I a ricer because besides my BMW I have a Mazdaspeed3 that is stock and will blow anything of similar price out of the water?
9. How is not knowing another language in which they talk about the car and its mods glorifying ricers, you just don't know what they are saying.

Denyo, please be so kind as to enlighten us with the modifications to the supra.

**elsabor67** · 01-05-2008, 05:26 PM

Nick and denyo: +1 for your comments and information

Estpaul: I think you should learn to understand the concepts on modifying cars, regardless if they are Japanese, German, or from BFE.

Some things that from 1st sight that I can see from that Supra is:
1. The rear wing is original factory Supra, not the whale tail made from TRD. Not alot of supras use those wings anymore but looks great on it.
2. There is no exaggerated body kit at all on it except for that small hood scoop, and the lip spoiler which is very unique because I haven't seen one like that on ANY Supra in the states or other places and sets it apart.

The fact that he didn't list what he's done on the car doesn't mean squat. I stated before that it was wierd that they paid more attention to the Supra, so It really didn't jive with me. But at the same time, I have seen before how lowered powered cars, depending on how they are set up can whip the Scheiza out of cars inherently bigger and more powerful than them.

I consider myself an enthusiast, a person that sees a car for it's potential and not for it's status or for it's looks and I will say that the Supra is a car that stands on its own in the Super Car world. Just like the E30 M3 and other cars that when they came on the scene completely blew out everyone. You should do some reasearch and get off the "branding bandwagon" because honestly, it's really played out.

denyo77 · 01-05-2008, 07:29 PM

they don't really explain that much, except that he's changed the twin turbo's boost pressure to have as much torque as possible, also it was a bit lighter. The exhaust setup isn't stock and the hood scoop probably isn't put on there for show (as there's nothing for show on the car)
btw, anyone noticed his tach redlines at 8000 rpm instead of 6000 where a stock Supra would redline? That also shows he must have done something to his whip

and in the end he won by only about half a car length...

**TheUniballer** · 01-06-2008, 02:27 AM

The whole "ricer" thing actually came from people seeing surprisingly fast cars from Japan in the late 80s and early 90s (modified or not) and calling them "rice rockets". Ricer has become the generic term that mostly describes wannabe racers who are just trying to get attention usually.

I don't like these type of people (and the bullshit they do to their cars), but I can appreciate people improving a car to perform better than a more expensive car, by putting time and effort into it. That's my philosophy, anyway...

**estpaul** · 01-06-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by elsabor67

Estpaul: I think you should learn to understand the concepts on modifying cars, regardless if they are Japanese, German, or from BFE.

the fact that he didn't list what he's done on the car doesn't mean squat.

Indeed it does, by listing that there is no mods, it creates an illusion that the supra is stock and consumer who dont know jack, start to dream about buying a similar car.

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Originally Posted by nick_318is

6. I would love to build a cheaper older car to specs that would beat the new m3 and blast some doors off, if not for anything else then to see the ashamed look on the m3 drivers face.

I agree, it would be cool to take any car and beat some snob in a m3 just to see their face

but you missed the point nick, im not saying that the car is completly rice, but the fact that mods are not listed gives an illusion that it is stock, and it is beating a m3.

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Originally Posted by denyo77

they don't really explain that much, except that he's changed the twin turbo's boost pressure to have as much torque as possible, also it was a bit lighter. The exhaust setup isn't stock and the hood scoop probably isn't put on there for show (as there's nothing for show on the car)
btw, anyone noticed his tach redlines at 8000 rpm instead of 6000 where a stock Supra would redline? That also shows he must have done something to his whip

cheers for sharing, i myself dont like turbos, when you have a car with a turbo and the turbo breaks, it doesnt happen instantly - it happens slowly, over a period of time, so you dont notice, but other than that they are a great mod.

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Originally Posted by TheUniballer

The whole "ricer" thing actually came from people seeing surprisingly fast cars from Japan in the late 80s and early 90s (modified or not) and calling them "rice rockets". Ricer has become the generic term that mostly describes wannabe racers who are just trying to get attention usually.

Quite right, and the reason the word rice comes into play is actually a derogative term towards Japanese and Chinese, because "rice" use to be their main food and export.

nick_318is · 01-06-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by estpaul

I agree, it would be cool to take any car and beat some snob in a m3 just to see their face

but you missed the point nick, im not saying that the car is completly rice, but the fact that mods are not listed gives an illusion that it is stock, and it is beating a m3.

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