BATFE thread

[m3flyer]

Originally Posted by MTurboPower3

uhhh... I don't think you need an AR-15 for protection. Isn't that a rifle that can break a wall if you shoot through it.

...how old are you?

Nothing personal, but yours is a naive position at best.

There are a plethora of firearms that "shoot through walls", but only if a person causes them to do so.

Also, a firearm is a personal choice and not subject to your opinion.

I respect your opinion, but I do not agree with it.

[m3flyer]

Originally Posted by Hoppy

thats alot of gear.

iv got a crap load of long guns. all Milsurp's except a high point carbine and a Mossberg 590

thats colt 1903, a Para Ordnance P14-45 for handguns.


NEVER! Alcohol Tobbaco and Firearms should be a delivery service not a government agency

i agree guns and booze dont mix. but id hardly think proximity of one to the other is going to cause any problesm

its not a right if were "allowed"

...in total agreement with most of what you say.

Except for the part about the BATFE. I believe that they are a valuable enforcement and investigatory agency.

I do have a few issues with some of the regulatory measures put in force by congress... as I think you do.

IMHO, the BATFE serves a valuable purpose when they attend to their job while observing the tenets of the 2nd Ammendment.

[Skyy]

Originally Posted by m3flyer

...old are you?

Nothing personal, but yours is a naive position at best.

He's 18 and doesn't get it. Don't think he's been on a gun range much either. He doesn't realize that an AR-15 isnt fully automatic, he's confusing it with an M4 or M16.

MTP3... my dads 12 gauge with shoot clear through any standard
(sheet rock) wall in your standard home. Best educate yourself before you butt in again, no offense.

We "gifted" Chris a Glock 23 as a going away gift right before he left for the Navy's Boot Camp. Mighty fine pistol if you ask me. (he really want an officers modoel 1911 but we couldn't find any of decent price.)

[celsdogg]

^^^ an original 1911? of course those will fetch high prices! i would be fine with the 1991-A1

[craig]

at the moment, i dont have much of anything. just a 22 rifel. had a .17 rifel(bad ass gun) but sold it because it was never used. when i turn 18, im buying a shotgun. i like phesent hunting. my grandpa has a total of 8 shotguns, and he uses them regularly at trap shoots.

[Hoppy]

Originally Posted by m3flyer

...in total agreement with most of what you say.

Except for the part about the BATFE. I believe that they are a valuable enforcement and investigatory agency.

I do have a few issues with some of the regulatory measures put in force by congress... as I think you do.

IMHO, the BATFE serves a valuable purpose when they attend to their job while observing the tenets of the 2nd Ammendment.

i think if the BATFE exists they should only exist as a tax agency and referance lab. they have taken on the roll of Law enforcement which i totaly disagree with.

uhhh... I don't think you need an AR-15 for protection. Isn't that a rifle that can break a wall if you shoot through it.

almost any gun can penetrate a sheetrock wall. and if your talking about the video of the guy shooting a "cinderblock wall" that wall wasnt a wall. there was no mortor, no re bar, no fill. it was just a few cinder blocks loosely piled so that they WOULD fall down and look devistating when shot. you could have dont the same damage with an Ar-15, hunting rifle,12 gauge duck gun, or major leauge fast ball.

[Skyy]

He wanted the 1911 more as a collectors piece to hold onto. But since we couldn't find one for a reasonable price (even by 1911 standards), we just got him the Glock 23 to go plinking with. We tried getting him a 9mm plinker, but he insisted that even if it was only meant for plinking, he wanted the stopping power of something a little more substantial just in case it ever needed to be used for something other than plinking (i.e. Home Defense).

Anyone see the new H&K 416 upper for the M4 available for spec ops units? Replaces the gas sysem with a pushrod system keeping the system cleaner and cooler and reduces barrel wear.

[Hoppy]

Anyone see the new H&K 416 upper for the M4 available for spec ops units? Replaces the gas sysem with a pushrod system keeping the system cleaner and cooler and reduces barrel wear.

the majority of HK stuff is all hype. the piston system has been around for a while made by various manufacterers and with good results. but since HK decided that its ultra tactical, and will only be for LEO/Mil sale it became cool. HK has accidently released some 416 uppers to the public then shat themselves to get them back, and like all the things HK has done in the past for civilians, the SL8, the nuetered UMP. they prove, you suck, and we hate you. only recently are they realizing that the Civi market may be thier best hope, cause the Gov has terminated the XM8 project, SOCOM is buying Sigs and civis are pissed at HK for pissing on them so long. so now the 416 is going to be available to civis. but im sure HK with mess it up... cause after all

[Hoppy]

also. try Para Ordnance 1911's they are very reasonably priced and they make A CRAP LOAD of models or Springfield Armory

www.paraord.com
http://www.springfield-armory.com/index.php

[celsdogg]

yeah, i saw that 416, and i have to say its a very reasonable change versus the gas blowback system on the current M16/M4. i like HK stuff a lot and IMHO i do not think its all hype. the 416 upper receiver costs very little more than a standard upper receiver of a 16/4, yet the govt does not want to give this enhancement to the (IMHO) crappy M16/4. i know this push rod system has been used in many weapons in the past, and its use should be utilized in places like baghdad.

i want to personally get an HK G36K and i know where i can do so, but it will cost a bit. so socom is buying sigs? no more Mk23's?

[MTurboPower3]

Originally Posted by m3flyer

...how old are you?

Nothing personal, but yours is a naive position at best.

There are a plethora of firearms that "shoot through walls", but only if a person causes them to do so.

Also, a firearm is a personal choice and not subject to your opinion.

I respect your opinion, but I do not agree with it.

Iknow a lot of weapons can shoot through walls, what I was ask is that can it knock a wall down. Isn't that the rifle that Al Pacino used at the end of Scarface when all of the Columbians attack his house? That's only reason you need one if your a drug lord and you have a whole army of assains trying to kill you. But that's just my opinion.

[Hoppy]

Isn't that the rifle that Al Pacino used at the end of Scarface when all of the Columbians attack his house? That's only reason you need one if your a drug lord and you have a whole army of assains trying to kill you. But that's just my opinion.

movies dont = reality.

and pacinos charecter used an M16. while the operation is similar ( think recipricating internal combustion Vs other) but it was automatic, and hence restricected by the 1934 NFA bill and the 1986 MG ban. an AR15 is a semi auto only version that would require exstensive work to make F/A ( think Yaris Vs Porsche)

[Hoppy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKADcfE90U&NR=1 Assault Weapon ban
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0 more specifics about AW rifles

[m3flyer]

Originally Posted by Hoppy

movies dont = reality.

and pacinos charecter used an M16. while the operation is similar ( think recipricating internal combustion Vs other) but it was automatic, and hence restricected by the 1934 NFA bill and the 1986 MG ban. an AR15 is a semi auto only version that would require exstensive work to make F/A ( think Yaris Vs Porsche)

...that was an M16A1... with an M203 grenade launcher...

Tony Montana (Al Pacino) uses an M16A1 with an M203 grenade launcher attachment during the final battle. Also of note is that he has two magazines taped together 'jungle style'.


M16 5.56mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm




M203 Grenade Launcher 40mm



Tony Montana (Al Pacino) has an M203 grenade launcher mounted on his M16A1 during the final battle. In one of the films more memorable moments Tony yells out "Say hello to my little friend!" and blows a door down with a 40mm grenade, killing several of Sosa's (Paul Shenar) men.




Tony fires his M16A1.

That is all...

[MTurboPower3]

That's a sick ass rifle that could knock some houses down.