||08-02-2007 12:35 AM
Attn: Mods/ Admins
Okay, so now that i've chilled out a bit and talked to a couple people, I have a couple things to say.
So things, haven't started out so great, but that was kind of expected. How so? Well when the new mods/admin showed up, it was kind of like someone you don't know getting up in your face... first instinct is to swing. As mods, I hope you can understand that. Now from your point of view, I can understand that we weren't very receptive, and we should have given harry the benefit of the doubt bringing you guys in. We didn't, that was our bad. I apologize.
Mods/admins, I know now that you're well known under different names from some of the (much) larger forums, so that sheds some light on things. But I do need to point out the difference here. We'll use BF.c as an example. Over there, you get a lot of under-educated idiots who flame every post, even the good ones. Knowing that atmosphere, i understand why things went down the way they did. With that said, I'd like to point out that things over here are a little different. For the most part, the people who post here are well educated, well mannered individuals highly capable of intellignet conversation. 99% of the people here are more easily reasoned with through conversation, not through liberal use of the ban hammer. So suspending nick, was a (very) bad move. But again, I see now why it happened. As users though, its also our responsibility to see where you're coming from, and cut you a break until you get used to how things run around.
Speaking of how things run. We as members, do completely understand that you were brought in to grow our forums, which is fine, within some constraints. We here at UB are here because its got a different feel than the larger places. We come here to avoid the idiots who post there. So growing out forums is great for all party's involved, as long as we grow it with more of the type of members we like. 10,000 posts a day is worthless if 85% of those posts are idiots who flame, don't know how to use the search button, don't know how to properly form a coherent sentence, etc. I personally came here because I was tired of everyone flaming everybody for every reason, and i think others share that same sentiment. But again, we see where you're coming from, and we'll cut you some slack till you find your new groove.... as long as that groove doesn't turn into the places you came from.
I'd also like to point out that the war/politics forums was mishandled by both sides. The moderators (who DID vote, thus skewing the results of that pole, so please don't use that as an excuse) proper course of action would have been to let the thread sit for a couple days and see what the general sentiment was from the members before they chimed in with their two cents. Unlike those other forums, we treat our mods like family. They're just regular members 99.9% of the time and they're chill by us. But when its necessary for them to step up and do their job, they do it, they do it right and life goes on. On other forums, its necessary for you to exert your authority more overtly, but not here. And with that same token, we don't like it when people try to impose things on us, and we don't like when someone try's to use their title as a source of power. Even harry's been straightened out here a couple of times, because your name is your name, the color of it doesn't matter to us. On the flip side of the coin, we shouldn't have jumped all over you like we did, adding fuel to the fire. That was wrong, and again that all goes back to whats already been stated here.
On a final note, I'd like to point (and don't take this the wrong way, and don't read into it any) out that old salts like clapton and nick and drz and dudesky, will carry more weight and command more respect around here than you ever will. And i'm not trying to say that in a bad way, its just that they've been around here forever, and we all respect them. Use this to your advantage, because gaining their respect and getting them on your side is the key to getting the rest of the forums on your side. Just remember that their disapproval with something shouldn't just be disregarded as just whining.... and to a further extent, it was a poor move to rub us oldies the wrong way, but it had to happen before any lesson was learned.
So really, what i'm trying to say is that we were both wrong in many ways, and it wasn't necessary. Both sides need to be more tolerant in the future, until everyone gets on the same page. And we all secretly love the idea of ub.c growing, AS LONG AS THE GENERAL FEEL OF THE FORUM DOESNT CHANGE, because if you try to turn us into "every other forum", then you entirely defeat the original concept of this place.