What the hell is going on?! - United Bimmer Community

**Dudesky** · 04-16-2007, 04:42 PM

Man, days like this make me sad. The damn massacre at Virginia Tech- 33 dead, the storm damage and floods here in the Northeast- 9 dead.

Discuss?

witeshark · 04-16-2007, 04:56 PM

I guess the weather is just gonna do things like that sometimes. But the shooting is just right out!

**MTurboPower3** · 04-16-2007, 04:57 PM

that shooting adds injury to insult

**RSF5** · 04-16-2007, 05:04 PM

That VT shooting is nuts. It's the worst one yet.

**theSMELSINATOR** · 04-16-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MTurboPower3

that shooting adds injury to insult

i'm pretty sure you mean insult to injury.

yeah, the VT thing is nuts. from what i gathered, nobody has any idea what's going on. those poor officers trying to answer everyone's questions: "we don't think it was someone from off campus. but we're not sure. we really don't know anything." gotta be one of the worst jobs in the world.

**MTurboPower3** · 04-16-2007, 05:14 PM

i dont think it could've been someone off campus becuase everything is flooded on the east coast

**Dudesky** · 04-16-2007, 05:17 PM

'nuff said.

**RSF5** · 04-16-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theSMELSINATOR

i'm pretty sure you mean insult to injury.

Naw, he means injury to insult.

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

'nuff said.

That'll buff right out.

**Hoppy** · 04-16-2007, 05:21 PM

its the worst shooting, its not the worst school attack.
the worst school attack was a series of bombs at the Bath School house in Michigan back in 1927. series of bombs set off by a disgruntaled school board member killed 44. plus he killed his wife before hand. so 45 in total

guns arnt to blame, people are to blame.

the storm is just a storm. nothing new. as for this shooting its all societys fault. its all on the hands of those who wish innocent people be defense less, like VT's own spokes man Larry Hincker

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http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/81277
Tuesday, September 05, 2006
[editorial by Hincker re: double murder on the loose at VT campus late 2006]

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The writer would have us believe that a university campus, with tens of thousands of young people, is safer with everyone packing heat. Imagine the continual fear of students in that scenario. We've seen that fear here, and we don't want to see it again.
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Guns don't belong in classrooms. They never will. Virginia Tech has a very sound policy preventing same.

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http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658
Tuesday, January 31, 2006
[re: bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus]

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

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http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/xp-21770
Wednesday, April 13, 2005
[re: Hincker defending campus policy]

"I think it's fair to say that we believe guns don't belong in the classroom," Hincker said. "In an academic environment, we believe you should be free from fear."
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"We think we have the right to adhere to and enforce that policy because, in the end, we think it's a common-sense policy for the protection of students, staff and faculty as well as guests and visitors," Hincker said.

il be honest. id rather have everyone packing heat daily than just one badguy on a bad day.

**RSF5** · 04-16-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoppy

its the worst shooting, its not the worst school attack.

il be honest. id rather have everyone packing heat daily than just one badguy on a bad day.

Yeah I know guns don't kill people, people kill people. But its so hard to argue that everyone should carry guns, there are so many people out there that are so unstable... people you never know what they are capable of... then account for drugs and/or alcohol and you have a time bomb. And even taking into account that everyone else would have a gun, people would still get killed before they could stop one bad egg. But on the other side, those bad eggs are going to get a gun no matter what, from the black market. All it takes is one person to ruin it all. They don't even have to have bad intentions, what if a person went nuts and started to shoot people then someone tried to shoot him but aimed wrong and killed someone else?

**xsperf** · 04-16-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RSF5

Yeah I know guns don't kill people, people kill people. But its so hard to argue that everyone should carry guns, there are so many people out there that are so unstable... people you never know what they are capable of... then account for drugs and/or alcohol and you have a time bomb. And even taking into account that everyone else would have a gun, people would still get killed before they could stop one bad egg. But on the other side, those bad eggs are going to get a gun no matter what, from the black market. All it takes is one person to ruin it all. They don't even have to have bad intentions, what if a person went nuts and started to shoot people then someone tried to shoot him but aimed wrong and killed someone else?

your right, and thats the thing, personally i think everyone shoudl carry a gun, but everyone is used loosely, obvioulsy not EVERYONE, there should be a strict test but then again people should be encouraged because if everyone on that campus had a gun do you think 33 would have died

**Hoppy** · 04-16-2007, 07:41 PM

gunna break it down for clearity, not to start a fight

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Originally Posted by RSF5

there are so many people out there that are so unstable... people you never know what they are capable of... then account for drugs and/or alcohol and you have a time bomb.

if there was any way of knowing WHO is gunna snap, then we should remove them from society before it happens. but since we can never know. there no reason to punish law abiding citizens by making oppressive laws. wether that be for speed limits or firearms

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Originally Posted by RSF5

And even taking into account that everyone else would have a gun, people would still get killed before they could stop one bad egg.

yes. 2, 3, 4, maybe 10 people may have been killed before the one out of say 100 people who have a gun did something. but 32 people got killed while the police waited. and waited and waited. we saw this at columbine and we see this now. the police dont know WTF to do

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But on the other side, those bad eggs are going to get a gun no matter what, from the black market.

even if guns never existed. man never discovered burning gasses could propell a small metal object out of a tube. people are stillgoing to go nuts and kill others. it may be running them down with a car, by poisoning food supplies, or as weve seen in african genocides. with machettes. the vast vast vast majority of those killin in Rawanda were killed with the humble machette not a gun

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All it takes is one person to ruin it all. They don't even have to have bad intentions, what if a person went nuts and started to shoot people then someone tried to shoot him but aimed wrong and killed someone else?

well that were we run into the situation that current public beliefs say we can have everything we want, exactly how we want it with out paying for it. and unfortunatly it doesnt work that way.

say some one does come bursting into my classroom and starts shooting up the place, i shoot him, and by accident another person. i believe that thats a trajady, but is it more horrible than risking having everyone in the room killed?

im not saying there are acceptable losses when it comes to these things. and im not saying the good of the many outwieght that one innocent shot. but logicaly thats a risk we have to take if we want the only form of instant protection thats possible, and that is self defense. the police cant, and wont be there when the shit hits the fan. and if no one else in the situation is willing to step up and take responsibility for the safety of others then i will. and il also take responsibility for the results.

i go to school south of boston. and in boston just a week or two ago someone got on a public transit bus, walked up to a kid and shot him. broad daylight, no mask no nothing. turned around and got off the bus. do you really think this would have happened if there was the risk that soem one else on the bus would have shot back?

**RSF5** · 04-16-2007, 07:58 PM

^^^^I can agree on a strict mental test and shooting ability test to be allowed to carry a gun, I also agree that people should be encouraged since this is the world we live in now. Your right hoppy, people would have been saved.

**theSMELSINATOR** · 04-16-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoppy

there no reason to punish law abiding citizens by making oppressive laws. wether that be for speed limits or firearms

**RSF5** · 04-16-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoppy

there no reason to punish law abiding citizens by making oppressive laws. wether that be for speed limits or firearms

+1, In my opinion this country has gotten tied up and bogged down in its own laws trying to protect everything.

And on the bus example, there was a chance there could be someone on that bus with a permit to carry a concealed firearm. He didn't know, and honestly anyone willing to kill someone in broad daylight probably would never care.