What the hell is going on?!

[Hoppy]

and its true. the reason gun laws came about in this country ( the 1934 National firearms act) was because of crime due to the governments own incompetence at stoping gangs who where thriving under the governments own opressive anti american prohibition of alcohol. when prohibition was repealed the government needed to pretend to do something. so they made the 1934 NFA act to restrict machine guns, sawn off shotguns, silencers, destructive devices, and Any other weapons (AOW). the original draft of the NFA banned pistols. the ban on pistols was the reason "sawn offs" are restricted to this day. the hope was that restricting modifications to a guns size would stop people from making fuax pistols out of carbines and rifles. the sawn off laws stayed, but the pistol laws didnt. this essentialy means the sawn off laws are an answer, to a question no one asked.

well now you have a hokey act that is gunna tax people to own an object. ( 200$ to make a NFA item., 5 $ to transfer AOW, or 200$ for machine guns, silencers, SBS, and SBR's, DD's) so you have a restrictive law, and you have a bunch of out of work prohibition agents.... i know lets make a tax collection agency, THE ATF!

the ATF was , and is a tax agency under the treasury dept. the differance is now, instead of asking nicely for you to pay your tax. they kick in your door at 3 am, throw concussion grenades in your bed room and shoot your dog. ( this is true for most paramilitary police forces aswell)

incase you havnt noticed, i despise the BATFE (buera of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives) as they are now called.


wow i bet i sound right wing whack job, but inm actualy just a Libertarian now adays

[RSF5]

Originally Posted by Hoppy

incase you havnt noticed, i despise the BATFE (buera of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives) as they are now called.

Well yeah, the BATFE is like the Anti Hoppy.

[Hoppy]

so ANYWAY wanna hear something gay


after the incident some people on face book started accusing an innocnet young man who just happened to be asian and a gun owner.

that ass clown Geraldo was at the center of it all.
heres a quick bit from MTV! of all places.
a very pro gun article ( pro gun now adays is basicly anything logical and not full of lies)

He is a tall Asian male and a 2006 graduate of Virginia Tech. He once lived in the West Ambler Johnston dormitory, where the first shootings on campus took place. His Facebook, LiveJournal and Xanga profiles display numerous pictures of him posing, smiling, with a cachet of large semiautomatic weapons.

The discovery of Wayne Chiang's online identity Monday evening seemed to condemn the 23-year-old as the culprit behind the tragic events in Blacksburg — at least online.

(See Matt Sunbulli talk about how the VT tragedy was represented in blogs and memorial Web pages, right here and watch Kurt Loder detail the timeline of the day's tragic events right here.)

"Based on the description that was out there, I know I matched it exactly," Wayne Chiang told MTV News on Tuesday. Chiang was clearly shaken by the events of the last 24 hours, not just due to the tragedy at his alma mater but because he was soon fingered by thousands of people as the prime suspect behind the shootings that rocked the Virginia Tech campus.

On Tuesday morning, local and federal authorities confirmed that the killer was Cho Seung-Hui (see "Virginia Tech Gunman Was 23-Year-Old Student, 'A Loner' ").

"I was five for five," Chiang said, referring to the descriptions of the killer being reported in the hours immediately following the killings. "I'm Asian. I went to [Virginia] Tech. I used to live in the dorm [where the first shootings occurred]. There's the infamous pictures of me with my guns." Chiang also had written on his LiveJournal blog last week that he had broken up with his girlfriend.

"It sure sounds like me," he said evenly. "I joked about it with a friend online. I didn't think it would go anywhere — but obviously, it did."

The most stark reports coming out of Blacksburg on Monday were firsthand accounts on blogs, photos and videos online (see "Virtual Memorial, MySpace Pages Help VT Mourners Cope Online"). But just as people were sharing information on the tragedy and checking in on friends and loved ones, so too were people looking for answers — a reason or person behind the violence.

Anyone scouring the Facebook profiles of Virginia Tech students on Monday — nearly 40,000 students past and present — could have come across Chiang's profile. It was indeed startling.

His profile picture features him, smiling, with nearly a dozen rifles hanging around his neck. Several more photos of Chiang with guns were on the page, added just days before Monday's shootings.

A quick Internet search revealed his other online profiles and his LiveJournal page, each showing several more pictures demonstrating his love of guns. There was also an entry about a recent breakup with a girl named Janice and a reprinted letter of acceptance to Virginia Tech's graduate school, where Chiang wrote he was "going back for more hell."

Shortly before 9 p.m. ET on Monday, two bloggers independently posted links to Chiang's profiles and fingered him as the suspect. One blog wrote of his Facebook profile, "I'd add him to see his whole profile but he's dead in disgrace, along with [32] others." Within an hour, hundreds of people were leaving comments on Chiang's online profiles, ranging from angry and hostile to saddened and puzzled. Several other blogs shared the link, and within an hour, an angry online mob had formed.

"I usually get 4-5 comments a day, but I started noticing a hundred, then a thousand. That's when I knew something was up," said Chiang, who works at IBM in Washington, D.C., and lives in Chantilly, Virginia, about four hours from the VT campus. He said he was working from home on Monday when the shootings occurred.

At around 10:30 p.m., after hours of online silence, Chiang finally posted on his LiveJournal page. "This situation has now spiraled out of control," he wrote. "I am now confirming that I am not the shooter."

At around the same time, though, on the Fox Network, Geraldo Rivera broadcast Chiang's Facebook page — though not his name — stating, "people might suspect that this might have been the perpetrator." Fox News correspondent Megyn Kelly then explained how, upon discovery of Chiang's profile, the channel searched for him.

"It made me realize that the Internet is extremely powerful," Chiang said. "[But] Geraldo — I wasn't too keen on that. They portrayed me in not such a [good] light." Chiang said he's talking to legal representatives to "see what I can do."

One puzzling element of Chiang's story is his failure to address the accusations online during the day, which only fueled suspicions. Throughout the day, Chiang had commented on a couple of friends' LiveJournal blogs, proving that he was alive and well.

During the evening's hysteria, though, he deleted the posts, prompting a friend to ask, "Are you trying to look like the killer?"

"I figured it could get more people to get to my Web site, and I was planning on setting up AdSense to get money to donate to charity," he said. "I know that sounds unconvincing and people [think I] want the money for myself. But I have a good job, I don't need the money."

Still, the images of Chiang and his guns are striking. Chiang calls himself a "Second Amendment activist," and said his firearms are properly registered. He is careful to state that he doesn't want to exploit the tragedy in any way, but opines, "If any of those 30 students were armed, this situation would've ended differently."

"In Virginia, you can carry a concealed handgun with a permit," he explained. "The board of directors at Virginia Tech have ruled that students don't need such protection on campus. They say that Tech police provide enough protection and students wouldn't need to be armed. Many student groups have tried to revoke that in recent years and in hindsight, [it could have changed Monday's events]."

Given his recent notoriety, Chiang has altered some — but not all — of his online profiles, such as changing his main Facebook profile picture. "I'm proud of who I am and I will stay true to that," he explained. "As long as my livelihood isn't affected, my life will go on.

"So many people out there are asking why and how this could have happened," he said. "It's human nature to find a scapegoat, and I understand that feeling."

[Hoppy]

heres some of the photos. the rifles he is holding are Mosin Nagant Model 44's. a modified version of a rifle designed in 1891.
the M44 is a bolt action carbine, with a folding spike bayonet. it replaced the M91/30 as the Soviet main battle rifle at the end of the war, and only lasted a few years before being replaced by the SKS and ultimatly the AK47.

when the Soviets adopted the SKS they saw a chance to arm thier allies with M44's, with out creating a situation of small arms equality. cant have the son be stronger than his father
so millions of m44's were given to various Com Bloc nations and hot spots across the globe.the designs and machinery to manufacter them were given to a number of nations, Romania, Poland, China ( as the type 53) and a great number more. and in return these nations manufactered millions and disributed them .
some of these nations, such as china would soo adopt the SKS as well. and then regifted the machines to places like North Korea and Vietnam.

these rifles have been in ever hot spot around the globe, from thier debut in WW2, to use in Korean war, Vietnam war, Afghanistan, Ireland, South america, Africa and more. they are still encounterd by US forces in some of the finest shit holes known to man

millions have been made and can be bought for about 80$ a piece
hold 5 rounds of 7.62X54r ammo.

Mosin Nagants have had Dozens of nations make them, at dozens of manufacters with over a dozen major models, and hundreds of sub types they are very afordable for a firearm collection.

so no, this guy isnt stocking up, or "a weapons cache" as most people would claim

[RSF5]

^^^ Thats not a weapons cache! Thats just some gun collection, look at how OLD those things are. Like someones going to go on a shooting rampage with rifles that were designed 2 centuries ago.

[mullethunter3]

That is an awesome collection. Speaking of which, I'm starting my gun collection this summer with the money I get back from my textbooks. I'm buying an SKS.

That kind of sucks for that guy though.

[celsdogg]

impressive.

[Hoppy]

I'm buying an SKS.

cars AND guns. marry me.

if your going for a Yugo 59/66 get one soon. they are selling out quick and prices are goin up!

Thats not a weapons cache! Thats just some gun collection, look at how OLD those things are. Like someones going to go on a shooting rampage with rifles that were designed 2 centuries ago.

its just when ever soem one has 2 or 3 guns the news media will refer to it as an "arsenal". having several hundred rounds is an "ammo cache". hell i have some 1000 rounds for one rifle alone!

dont get me wrong, hes got alot of other cool cool gears, including an M4-gery. a PS90, and what ever the H&K UMP civi model is.
picturs on his website.
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/...xanga_redirect

but those were the pictures featured on his face book. so they are the ones everyone saw. theres a clip on his website of the geraldo accusing him of beign the killer on national tv

i still hate the media.

[celsdogg]

i believe the UMP is a submachine gun, like an MP5, only it fires .45 cal.

[Hoppy]

i know what a UMP is

i dont know if HK has a civilian name for it. as the true full auto UMP cannot be legaly purchased by an individual, since i do not believe there were any in the US before 1986, because i dont believe they were made befor the mid 90's

[MTurboPower3]

laws dont mean anything did anyone see the video that he sent into NBC, he looked crazy he should've been in a mental hospital not in college

[RSF5]

Originally Posted by MTurboPower3

laws dont mean anything did anyone see the video that he sent into NBC, he looked crazy he should've been in a mental hospital not in college

Yes, I think we all figured that out.

[celsdogg]

Originally Posted by MTurboPower3

laws dont mean anything did anyone see the video that he sent into NBC, he looked crazy he should've been in a mental hospital not in college

i thought college was a mental hospital. . .

i know im going crazy in mine.

maybe i should have not said that.