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Old 01-30-2006, 09:03 PM   #16
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Old 01-30-2006, 09:18 PM   #17
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:01 PM   #18
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It's greed plain and simple. Here we have a similar issue with the power company doesn't wanna put the power lines in the ground where they belong!
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Old 01-30-2006, 11:05 PM   #19
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^^ I think its a cost issue really. Becuase look at how many miles of power lines there are. To put those under ground it would take so much work and effort, and some buildings or houses may have to have there basements dug up to run the cables.
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Old 01-30-2006, 11:17 PM   #20
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No we really dont, our government just doesnt tack on a gasoline tax like places in europe, they only do that over there to make people use gas more conservatively.

They are taking advantage of a war where americans are dying for pretty much no reason, to make them rich. Pretty weak if you ask me.

And i understand the price of crude oil has risen, as a direct response to china coming out of the old days of communism, but still they are raping the citizens of this country at a time when things are hard enough money wise.

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ok so how is it the governments fault, and how are they in bed with the companys? and why do you think a gas cap could possibly help.
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Old 01-30-2006, 11:47 PM   #21
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^^ I think its a cost issue really. Becuase look at how many miles of power lines there are. To put those under ground it would take so much work and effort, and some buildings or houses may have to have there basements dug up to run the cables.
Cost-wise now yeah But if they planned rightly in the first place in a hurricane latitude hello We would not have this problem to begin with!
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Old 01-31-2006, 12:03 AM   #22
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Gas cap isnt the answer...the government and big business taking money out of pockets is the problem. Gas prices are going up with the economy, the only problem is that we arent seeing the money, the big corporations are.
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ok so how is it the governments fault, and how are they in bed with the companys? and why do you think a gas cap could possibly help.
There should have been an investigation by now or at least real comments coming from high up officials regarding price gouging and taking advantage of the situations at hand (iraq/katrina).

Why havent there been? If this was going on at a time when an administration that didnt recieve huge campaign funding and support from oil companies was in office, then there would have been serious alegations made towards the oil companies regarding price gouging, and perhaps even another investigation like the one performed by the senate in 2k3.

Say whatever you want, 'supply and demand', or whatever, but when they bump up prices to 3.60 just because a hurricane comes around, that right there is price gouging and taking advantage of a situation where others are suffering to bring in more money.

Its no different than buying a generator at home depot or something, then trucking it down to new orleans and selling it for 3x what you paid for it, just because you have the hold on the market. Doing something like that is unacceptable and can actually be prosecuted in court.

I have no problem with gas prices rising with the cost of crude oil rising as well, but WTF, come on, the oil companies pulling shit like they have in the last few months not because of shortage, or rising cost, just because they CAN is rediculous, they should not be allowed to take advantage of natural disasters, wars, etc to raise prices if the cost of theyre ingredients is not rising along with those things.

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Old 01-31-2006, 08:40 AM   #24
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I think the regulate was a bad word choice on my part in my first post, i guess i just meant do something about it.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:11 PM   #25
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Say whatever you want, 'supply and demand', or whatever, but when they bump up prices to 3.60 just because a hurricane comes around, that right there is price gouging and taking advantage of a situation where others are suffering to bring in more money.

I dont think they delibritley raised gas prices just becuase of the hurricane. I saw on the news several gas plants had to temporarily shut down because of Katrina, thus causing a loss of almost 1 million gallons of gas being produced daily. Thus the supply dropped dramaticly and demand started to go up. Which imo forced gas prices through the roof to basiclly force people to conserve gas.
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Not related to any disaster, have you guys ever noticed just before holidays & big summer weekends they ALWAYS jack the prices? They usually "prep" the consumers in April & May with a price hike to get past the initial shock, they roll it back then slowly creap up again - so the consumer isn't taken by surprise. Mark my words this coming spring & summer (they've been doing this as "normal practice" since the mid '80s)
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There should have been an investigation by now or at least real comments coming from high up officials regarding price gouging and taking advantage of the situations at hand (iraq/katrina).

Why havent there been? If this was going on at a time when an administration that didnt recieve huge campaign funding and support from oil companies was in office, then there would have been serious alegations made towards the oil companies regarding price gouging, and perhaps even another investigation like the one performed by the senate in 2k3....

yes, everythings the governments fault. not the individuals running the gas station,not capitalism. and obviously not Opec. wich is a cartel, that is a combination of independent business organizations formed to regulate production, pricing, and marketing of goods by the members. opec regulates how much oil is extracted to keep the price artificaily high. when a company starts to sell oil cheaper than opec wants. they will quickly drop thier prices. eliminating the benifit to that first company and then raise the prices up again.

imagine you have a local burger place selling the same thing as a big mac for a 1.25 . then mcdonalds says enough of that, we run the burger cartel around here. and now the local mcdonalds sells the big mac for a dollar. pretty soon the local place cant keep prices low. they raise thier price back up then so does mcdonalds

and im not the least bit ashamed to say. we need to secure fairly priced resources what ever it takes
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Old 01-31-2006, 03:23 PM   #28
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and im not the least bit ashamed to say. we need to secure fairly priced resources what ever it takes
i agree.

The wolfowitz doctrine is a good plan if you ask me, the bush administration just royally fucked themselves over in iraq.. when will they learn that you cant control that region of the world with any means other than brute force. Russia attempted the same exact thing 30 years ago, and look what happened.
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Hoppy I agree, the only real benefit gov't has going for it Re: oil pricing is the tax on it. That's not just federal but state also, as long as they get theirs they're not going to tell business how to run themselves. The "cartels" if anything are the scam. Same applies to diamonds - all the competitors get together and set the market prices - anyone who tries to undercut prices eventually gets starved out.
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I think the regulate was a bad word choice on my part in my first post, i guess i just meant do something about it.
yeah regulate is a bad word. Its already been tried, and it doesnt work. I do agree with you on the prices though. Its companys taking advantage of us...
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