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Old 09-03-2005, 11:02 PM   #1
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NO out of control.

I dont know how much of the news you guys have been watching about NO.. but ive been glued to it basically.. and it is a goddamn warzone.

To those not aware: police have been fighting for their lives, girls being raped in the streets, thugs killing at random, car jackings, and unpresedented looting are all going on..

Its now starting to get better, but the time it took for troops to get there is unacceptable.. after the situation in NO was understood by officials, substantial amounts of troops should have been in the area within 48 hours.

That did not happen.

To give you an idea of what is really going on read this (its a really good read, totally worth the time) :

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Drove into HELL (New Orleans) last night... Sensitive types stay out
Thought maybe some might enjoy my adventure..

First off I wanted to post what REALLY is going on in this city. Please don't get this thread locked people. The news stations are only showing a minuscule of reality. This post may offend some people but I will post what I saw, like it or not it is REALITY.
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Well last night I was watching the 6pm news when they announced the 17th street canal pumps failed as well as another break in the levee. My house is right off St. Charles Ave. and up to 6pm yesterday is was the only part of the city that was dry. Since the pumps failed and the new break St. Charles Ave. would be under 9ft of water in the next 12-15hrs. My brother and I felt if we wanted to save anything we had to leave NOW. We loaded up flashlights, rope, our medical ID's, both our .45 Glocks, 2 shotguns and rode out. En-route we listened to the radio which broad casted all the news about the looters and what not, in hindsight it was a mistake. My mother didn't want us to go by dad who is a Vietnam vet told to be safe and "shoot to kill" if it ever comes to that.

One the way we had to pass 5-6 checkpoints to allow entry into the city. We stated we were medical personnel who were activated, showed our ID and off we went. On the radio reports were coming in about the officer who was shot in the head, the 2 gunman who opened fired on the NOPD station, and how looters were carjacking cars to get out of the city. This started making my brother nervous and giving seconds thoughts.

Anyway we get to the city and it looks like a freaking war zone. The best visual I can give is the movie "Blackhawk Down" when all the Somalians are rushing the city. They are people EVERYWHERE, they are pissed off, and all have weapons, 2X4's, Axes, and guns. If this wasn't bad enough we are 2 white boys in a truck in a sea several hundred armed pissed off blacks. There wasn't a white person to be found. I couldn't get over the little 8-10yr old kids with weapons, I ever saw one carry a claw hammer!

These people were absolutely nuts rammed trucks(stolen I'm sure) in to jewelry stores stealing items, they were tearing apart Wal-Mart carrying out TV's, Playstations, DVD players, etc. One lady was wheeling out an entire rack of merchandise, not sure what it was but sure wasn't clothes for food. They were all laughing and carrying on like it's freaking Christmas.

We got stuck in traffic when we see the group of guys walking down the street w/ AK-47's, at that point the "pucker factor" kicked in, a couple Glocks and shotguns were no match for that. We haul azz trying to get to Uptown when we see these people chopping down the front door w/ an axe of this $4-5 million dollar mansion on ST. Charles Ave. I was just in total awe because it was so surreal. Making matters worse it's 11pm at night there is no electricity and you really can see anything or anyone until they are right up on you.

Our plan was to be in and out in 30min, this included putting his Harley on the trailer. It would have taken me 5-10min tops to get my stuff, all I wanted was my pictures from college, my clothes/shoes, and my computer tower. Well he got scared saying we are going to get jumped while putting the bike on the trailer. Keep in mind this is the only area in the city that is dry. So just like rats who move to higher ground these people were doing the same. Word must have gotten out that Uptown was dry so there started to be a large influx of people.

Needless to say he wanted to go home rather than take our chances. While it was the smart thing to do I was beyond infuriated w/ him because we made it this far. He just kept saying our lives aren't worth it. So we turned around, our next challenge was getting out of the city while not getting jacked. Reports came out that people were jumping in the back of truck holding the drivers at gunpoint. Traffic started to slow so I just nailed it got out as fast as I could.

Even though he was the voice of reason I'm still pissed. All I have is my life and the clothes on my back. I lost my house(which is now 9ft underwater) ALL my clothes, TV, computer, furniture, and photo albums and videos from childhood and college. What makes this worse is my brother owned the house and I was a tenant and I didn't have renters insurance, hindsight is 20/20.

I also hope everyone of the Fucking looters get Tetanus, E-Coli and F*(KING drown. I'm serious I really hope the all die for what they were doing to the city, killing people, and destroying homes. Never in my life have I ever seen people act live savages, it was truly sicking.

Here is the *update* thread I posted today...

Well I attempted fate again and went back to the city. Didn't want to start a flame fest so I figured I'd post afterward. Most of you will not/do not understand WHY I went back but I think some will. This time we went in broad daylight and initially there was to be five but ended up three. We were armed w/ two pistols each(plus 2 back up) and each having 12-gague shot guns (Police/Military spec Remington 870). Once again we were force through 5 checkpoints had to show ID. At the last checkpoint the State Trooper asked "Are you carrying" to which we said yes and he then replied "Good, you may have to use them."

Overall the Westbank of the city is pretty dry, surprisingly. We exited at Tchoupitoulas and it is right near the Superdome w/people everywhere. The road was clear and we didn't stop. First we went to my buddy's house on Magazine which was dry as a bone, no water what so ever. My bro and I set up a perimeter while Lance went inside to get his stuff. Heilo's were everywhere, Coast Guard, local oil company, Huey's and even Blackhawks. I'm outside and these two people pass pushing a shopping car and the women is staring at the gun. She said "Damn dat's a big 'ole gun, I just smiled and shook my head "yes". A truck full of National Guards pass by and when they saw us they cheered "Who Hoo" I'm assuming b/c the guns. What was frightening was they they didn't have any guns! We finished there and went on to my house. I was pretty pumped because Lance's house was dry and only a couple blocks down from mmine on the other side of St. Charles. Well my joy shortly faided when every street was covered with water and 200yr old oak branches. We turn the corner and see one of the famous historic New Orleans homes, I mean MANSION to be inhabited by a family who OBVIOUSLY did not live there. I mean this is easily a $5-6 million dollar home and these people are sitting on the porch, kids playing football in the yard, clothes strung out on the lawn. I just couldn't believe it.

The closest I could get to the house without submerging the truck was 5 blocks,great. Water was up to my waist and I'm 5'10. At one point we had o "tightrope walk" across a cemetery wall because the water was so deep it was easily over our heads. As we are walking we are passing families sitting on the porch just watching us, I felt sorry for them. We finally make it to the house and there is about 4ft of water in front which is good because the house is 6ft off the ground. I was happy the house was dry and not looted. We check the house and it's safe and we grab the bare essential, clothes, pictures, documents. I had to leave my new TV, computer, stereo, etc. Well I had about 50lbs in each hand which I soon learned was too much. I'm not weak by any means but carrying 80-100lbs that many blocksabove water was WORK!. Sadly we couldn't get the Harley, but for now it is safe and dry. We gave the family on the porch a couple gallons of water from the truck on the way back.

Next we go to Lance's GF's house and while I'm outside making sure everything is cool a neighbor walks up w/ a sidearm and asked if the Military has arrived yet. I tell him about the troops that rode by earlier and he stated he's shot at several people trying to loot neighbor's houses and cars. He was out of 12 gauge buckshot so I gave him a box.

So we are loaded up and heading toward the bridge when we pass the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas and see two soldiers guarding the store. We pull up to talk to him and I guess he saw the shotguns and he IMMEDIATELY drew his weapon. I'm still now certain what type of fully automatic rifle it was (no M16 or anything like that). Anyway we all put our hands up and ask him if it was safe to exit up ahead and if he needed anything like water, ammo, etc. He said "I'll take all the ammo you can spare". I asked if they are low already and he stated that in anticipation of the storm they sent all the weapons and ammo to Jackson,Ms and it flooded before they could get to them. So THAT is why none of the Guardsmen are carrying. We gave him all the ammo we had minus what was in our clips. So they ended up w/ around 5-6 boxes of buckshot and 150-200 rounds of hollow point .45

He then said 'Be careful up ahead they are rioting at the Superdome. Whatever you do DO NOT STOP. We leave and take the on ramp and infront of us is 200-300 people blocking the on ramp trying to get out of the city. We put out guns to the windows(they have been carjacking every car leaving the city) held the horn and never dropped below 15mph. People were moving away then rushing the truck but after seeing the guns they backed off. I really felt bad for some of those people because they looked tired and have a looong walk ahead of them but we weren't taking any chances
I hope this is not forgotten after all is said and done. These poeple raping and pillaging are poor, piss poor, dirt poor.. this disaster is bringing out the worst in society and is showing how the poor of this country live. Something needs to be done, we avoid these people, we do not want to see them or hear them, they live in a world that we subconciously push to the backs of our minds. Only when we simply cannot ignore them do we see how they live and that the world they live in mine as well be on another planet. I hope people understand that this is a huge problem, we simply cannot push it away and forget. Something has to be done.

The problem is only going to get bigger, it cannot be ignored, the longer we push this reality away, the larger the problem is going to get.
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Old 09-03-2005, 11:19 PM   #2
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Old 09-03-2005, 11:21 PM   #3
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My GOD, the black side of people in crisis. There are no words. Period. My letter to NO PD and AMW.com:
You all are heros. There is no name or cuss word for those that said you are not doing your jobs in what was a war zone and total disaster. There should be medals issued to all of you for your heroic efforts. Chief, you are a true leader! A front line hero IMO worthy of the Purple Heart and Congressional Medal of Honor!
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Old 09-03-2005, 11:26 PM   #4
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My GOD, the black side of people in crisis. There are no words. Period. My letter to NO PD and AMW.com:
You all are heros. There is no name or cuss word for those that said you are not doing your jobs in what was a war zone and total disaster. There should be medals issued to all of you for your heroic efforts. Chief, you are a true leader! A front line hero IMO worthy of the Purple Heart and Congressional Medal of Honor!
The people saying the police are not doing their jobs are probably referring to the 1/3+ of the force that split when the going got tough.
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Old 09-03-2005, 11:32 PM   #5
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The people saying the police are not doing their jobs are probably referring to the 1/3+ of the force that split when the going got tough.
Yes. This is true. My letter (e-mail) to NOPD and AMW.com:
You all are heros. There is no name or cuss word for those that said you are not doing your jobs in what was a war zone and total disaster. There should be medals issued to all of you for your heroic efforts. Chief, you are a true leader! A front line hero IMO worthy of the Purple Heart and Congressional Medal of Honor!
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Old 09-03-2005, 11:59 PM   #6
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That's crazy.

And we're a first world country....
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Old 09-04-2005, 12:02 AM   #7
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That's crazy.

And we're a first world country....
We are! This is a World Class severe disaster! We will own it!
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Old 09-04-2005, 01:43 AM   #8
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its rediculous. how can people become such animals. i was watching tv and they said there have ben about 4 murders a night and atleast 6 reported rapes a night at the superdome alone. if the busses got into the city then people can walk out. i mean busses are not off road vechicles. if a bus cna get soem where a person can easly. why dont these people walk out of the city, away from the crime, murders,rape and disease. i just dont get it. i guese its true that people revert to waht they are comfortable with in a crisis.
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Didn't they know about the whole hurricane about 5 days before it would hit? They should have just got the people out before that, and provided buses and everything w/national guard to force them to leave.
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We are! This is a World Class severe disaster! We will own it!
The damage is already done, it has owned us..

Its just so fucking stupid, it was going to happen, they knew it, the levee is rated for a category 3 hurricane and katrina was a 5 downrated to a 4 at the last second.. had katrina actually hit NO dead on like it was supposed to, the situation would have been 10x worse. Imagine the damage east of NO in mississippi only with this flooding.

There should have been a serious evac plan in place years before this..

I think its going to burn, they cant get firefighters in.. and there are countless fires raging as we speak..
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That is fucked up.
That was an extremely captivating read, I really want to read more about that from a first person naritive kinda thing. I love stories like that, but what makes them so captivating to me is that this shit is fucking REAL!
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imagine the hell law enforcement and doctors are going through.

If we could take a few soldiers out of our pointless war then maybe we would have a few more resources to help our own damn country.
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Didn't they know about the whole hurricane about 5 days before it would hit? They should have just got the people out before that, and provided buses and everything w/national guard to force them to leave.

yes, they knew about it. they made well sure that everyone knew about it... thus why the saints and tulanes football team and all the wealthy made it out of the city. the ones that remained either had no way of leaving (too poor to own a car) or ignored it. apparently a lot of people stayed ebcause they get 4 or 5 hurricane alerts a year and ignore them because you can't just pack up and leave every time.
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this is really sad..seriously i dont know how to describe my feeling at the moment. I would say sending a few bucks would help...but thei almost seems beyond money at the moment
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