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**komodo** · 10-01-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsperf

why doesnt harry need a 6 speed? he wants to make his car faster, and since he wants to do a tranny swap, might as well, plus its more exotic, and if he ever comes to sell it, it will def. boost the price up

But you can't look at a mod for resell value... you won't get nearly that much out of it on resell.

Question: if I do a 5-speed swap, how easy is it to swap out the 5-speed for a 6-speed later on (when I get more power to the wheels to need it)? After the clutch and everything is installed from the 5-speed swap, wouldn't it be pretty simple?

**spiff** · 10-01-2005, 08:39 PM

well...considerings its still a completely different transmission, i wouldnt really imagine it being THAT much easier...if it was a simple component then yes(clutch for instance), but since everything is specific because its a 5 or 6 spd...then itd be like going auto-manual again(with a few exceptions i presume)..

But i do not know ALL the spec's, i havent done the swap before, i wouldnt know.

Just think of it in terms of: if a 6spd needs something different then a 5spd, you will have to replace it all for the 5, so its the same as an auto-manual swap...just different type of swap. if that makes sense..

-dan

**catalyst** · 10-01-2005, 10:52 PM

A 6 speed isnt the kind of mod that does nothing for resale value, your car will be worth more with it.

Look at all the turbo e36 330's or 332's being sold for 15k or so, those are not stock cars by any means and it is their mods that are increasing their value.

Something stupid such as a bumper or M3 mirrors will not increase your cars value, but how many e36's do you see around with 6 speeds? Not many at all. Your car WILL be worth more with it.

The install for the 5 speed and the 6 speed will be the same amount, why not go all out and do something that will make your car faster, more unique, and worth more? A 5 speed will not increase the value of your car at all, and it will have been more economically reasonable to just sell your current automatic for a 5 speed considering the install price.. so instead of 'upgrading' to an already stock option in many other e36's and taking a huge hit with no increase in car value, why not do something that is a real upgrade compared to all e36's and will justify itself better in terms of how much it is costing to have installed.

Spiff of course he does not need a 6 speed, he doesnt NEED a 5 speed either, does anyone NEED any mods? No. We do them because we like to customize are cars and improve out driving experience. A 6 speed tranny will do both of these things.. and while a 5 speed will too.. it doesnt make any sense not to do the 6 speed swap if he has the money and will be doing a tranny swap anyway - this way price of install is more justified.

Spiff you are completely incorrect in all of your reasoning. A 6 speed uses the same clutch mechanism as a 5 speed and if he chooses to swap in a 6 later (completely retarded and assbackwards way to do it) then it will bolt right up.

Harry.. i dont claim to be some kind of guru, but these people are steering you off course.. and dont seem to grasp many of these mods at all, alot of the info in this thread is completely wrong.

**spiff** · 10-01-2005, 11:14 PM

Catalyst, i agree with you, I just recalled on i believe it was turner, when i was just looking for E46 Parts for the imaginy E46 that i wanted, and they were selling different clutch kits for 5 and 6spd clutches and fly's, so i just assumed.

My bad for incorrect information, i do not take any hostility, nor am i trying to create any, so fair point well taken.

I guess if you have the money you can do the 6spd, im just saying for his own sake, it doesnt seem like he would really benefit from it. But ofcourse, everyone has a different opinion on it, i know it would increase value.

Clearly its 100% his call on what he wants, I just thought from a more economical point of view the 5spd would be b etter because i think with the extra money he could start saving for internals or an OBD-I conversion..

That is all.

-Dan

**catalyst** · 10-01-2005, 11:25 PM

The 5 speed and 6 speed clutches are different, but the main thing in doing the auto to manual swap is the clutch and brake pedal installation and tapping into the brake system and running the clutch lines. So once these steps have been done any compatible manual gearbox will bolt right up and have the lines already there for the slave cylinder to bolt to. Depending on which clutch you use a bigger master cylinder may be needed, but this is unlikely unless you are choosing to run a race clutch of some kind..

So yea spiff your right in that the clutches may be different between the 5 and 6 speeds, but that doesnt really effect the install at all.

EDIT: And the reason i am recommending the 6 speed is because it will make his car faster, and since his main aim was the turbo before all this i am assuming he wants his car to be faster, this is a mod that WILL do this and will be a very driveable and reliable mod that will add to the car's fun factor every time he takes it out of the driveway. As i said before, a 6 speed coupled with an m52 with s52 cams and all applicable NA mods will be very fast and smoke stock e36 m3's all day long.

**komodo** · 10-01-2005, 11:26 PM

It's a difficult decision... keep in mind the 6-speed would be an extra $1,000-1,500 on top of the normal 5-speed swap... so whats is going through my mind: is it justified?

**catalyst** · 10-01-2005, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komodo

It's a difficult decision... keep in mind the 6-speed would be an extra $1,000-1,500 on top of the normal 5-speed swap... so whats is going through my mind: is it justified?

See my edit in the previous post.

**komodo** · 10-01-2005, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by catalyst

EDIT: And the reason i am recommending the 6 speed is because it will make his car faster, and since his main aim was the turbo before all this i am assuming he wants his car to be faster, this is a mod that WILL do this and will be a very driveable and reliable mod that will add to the car's fun factor every time he takes it out of the driveway. As i said before, a 6 speed coupled with an m52 with s52 cams and all applicable NA mods will be very fast and smoke stock e36 m3's all day long.

That's very true. One day I do hope to turbo, but my next performance step will be cams and (maybe) obd1 conversion... which I think is every decent n/a mod I can do...

**komodo** · 10-01-2005, 11:43 PM

Actually, I just had another thought.

What about instead of this, installing a top-of-the-line Viper alarm? With the remote that tells you when the alarm goes off, where ever you are and stuff.

I live in a good area, but still...

**spiff** · 10-01-2005, 11:51 PM

Alarm VS Performance, I think you know where the majority of may stand on this, so I shall not intervene. It's your car, and I think you know my opinion on that specific mod over performance.

**Spieluhr** · 10-01-2005, 11:52 PM

lol, going from SPEED to a little LCD alarm system. lets tal about totally different.

in my opinion, the tranny is more for me, but with the amount of stuff you have in your car, a top end alarm wouldn't be a bad idea.

**catalyst** · 10-01-2005, 11:54 PM

**komodo** · 10-01-2005, 11:57 PM

Remember I have THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars worth of stuff in the car, that's obvious by just looking in the window...

(and the $400 Valentine 1 which is right over the gps screen)

**spiff** · 10-02-2005, 02:29 AM

Its up to you. I honestly wouldnt have invested that much $$ into electronics, so clearly a security system is the best bet.

**xsperf** · 10-02-2005, 10:57 AM

well if you live in a good area, and you have been ever since u got these mods, and they werent stolen yet, i personally wouldnt get a top end alarm, im sure a 50 dollar one will do practically the same thing,(well maybe not) but let me tell u a quick story

when i first saw the 325, it was stolen, the interior was completely gone, seats, door panels, center console, and everything. the car didnt have the factory alarm system, it had a top-notch alarm system, one that actually calls your cell phone/pager(because it had something stuck to the windshield that said "knock here to page owner").. etc etc, however, if the theif wants to steal it, he will, this guy, what he did was he bent the nose piece, took out the grill, from there he played around with the hood latch, then he opend the hood, cut the wire to the siren first, then he cut the wires that controlled all the locking/double locking or whatever the alarm does(thats why the car didtn have power locks) and he broke the ingition and went his way

so, really, if someone wants to steal it, he will