Latest Initial Quality Rankings - United Bimmer Community

**3050rpm** · 06-10-2007, 01:31 PM

Read 'em and weep. The Automobiles section of today's NYT has a chart of the 2007 Initial Quality Study by J. D. Power, presented as the number of problems per 100 vehicles. Porsche led the list at 91; the industry average is 125; our make came in below that, at 133, tied with Pontiac, Saab, and Subaru, and behind Buick and Chevrolet. Gee, what company to keep.

Sure, we all delight in our favorite set of wheels, and display an intense loyalty, but a ranking like that is an embarrassment. I don't know where the problems lie, whether in the over-the-top iDrive, the assembly, the materials, whatever, but if Porsche made to #1 for the second year in a row, and Mercedes climbed from 20th to 6th, then what has BMW been doing to lag behind the rest of the industry?

**mzbmw325i** · 06-11-2007, 01:03 PM

well, that is why u don't buy a new car

, older models are way more reliable and easier to maintain, new cars are full of fuses and sensors,software crap and you have to take it to the dealer for diagnostics.

it is all a scam

,building the plants state side will benefit the consumer, prices are no where near cheaper, it only helped the companies in avoiding the luxury tax they slammed on the vehicles. you can go on and on, same old story, profits profits, etc.

don't go postal on me now, just my 2 cents

**xsperf** · 06-11-2007, 02:08 PM

wat do you mean led the list at 91? 91st place?

**3050rpm** · 06-11-2007, 02:11 PM

No, the measurement used is number of defects per 100 vehicles. Porsche led the list, i.e. being the best in quality, with 91 defects per 100 vehicles. This is the second year in a row they've come out best. The industry average is 125; BMW is worse than average at 133.

drz · 06-11-2007, 02:24 PM

These rankings treat a bad fluid washer level sensor the same way they treat the engine throwing out a rod. The are both just an extra tick mark under the "failure" column.

**CAPiTUL** · 06-11-2007, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drz

These rankings treat a bad fluid washer level sensor the same way they treat the engine throwing out a rod. The are both just an extra tick mark under the "failure" column.

You're absolutely right. However, those with big defects are probably flooded with minor defects, as well. So the study would still have some validity.

drz · 06-12-2007, 01:12 AM

Touché.

**Dudesky** · 06-12-2007, 04:47 AM

There are a lot of things that BMW is not. I never say it's the best, only that it's the one I like. I've spent more money fixing & maintaining my Bimmer than any other car make I've owned (abut 13 or so in my lifetime). Yet it's my fav, and I'd get another, because nothing else drives like it

**c1apton** · 06-12-2007, 05:04 AM

I take those consumer ratings with a grain of salt. Consider all the internal functions of a bimmer vs a Pontiac - we have 10 times the amount of circuits, amenities, etc so we're bound to have some probs but compared to others in our end of the spectrum (who have less but yet they rate similar) I don't accept those as equivalent comparisons.

**Numark318i** · 06-12-2007, 09:33 PM

^^agreed.
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also Porshce has four models
BMW has the 1 series, 3 series, 5 series, 6 series, X, Z and all the M's. Thats alot more. they also have how many engines? each engine needs different sensors. etc.

ok MB has alot of models also, but you still get my point